Round Three: Elm's Theories...

Since it's another "slow news day" for Harlow Cuadra and Joseph Kerekes... why not post some more chat transcripts... and I'll repeat... Google Chat... not email... so I'm not real sure why the email issue ever came up.

To quote a recent comment made on Jim's blog by Elm: "We all have our sources and some of us just know how to keep our mouths shut." - Kind of ironic isn't it?

07/20/07:

11:49 PM me: Hey Elm
11:50 PM eloise: hey whats up?
me: Not much... interesting last couple of days... to say the least.
eloise: true that
11:51 PM It looks like Joe is playing right into the hands of the police.
11:53 PM me: I'm not sure what to make of it to be honest... brb... bathroom break.
eloise: ok
11:54 PM me: I'm back
eloise: ok
me: It surprised me a little to be honest.
eloise: why?
11:55 PM me: I didn't expect anyone in their right-mind to admit being in PA, renting a car, and visiting Kocis house.
eloise: Look a it this way they reaqlly do not have attorneys and they are at the mercy of public deffenders
11:56 PM that is precisely why h did it
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me: I spoke to Mike at Out about this, this morning... we seemed to be both shaking our heads.
11:57 PM The only 'official' comment I've gotten thus far is from the DA in VA, which stated: " I'm not surprised".
11:58 PM eloise: well it is understandable that he would do somethng like this. he was segragated from all communication and he said it himelf he was in solitary
11:59 PM that is basically what they do to prisoners when they want them to squeal
12:00 AM me: As I told Mike, and perhaps he just didn't get my lingo... "guess the interigators are doing their jobs"
12:01 AM eloise: the police really have no clue as to what is really involved here.
12:03 AM me: I wouldn't be so fast on that one. From the folks that I've talked to, they seem to believe they know quite a bit... and I'd have to agree to be honest.
12:06 AM eloise: They know about the Joe and Harlow angle, I would agree but did Joe and Harlow really do this? Are they just the most likely suspects? The real question is why would they do this? to work with Sean lockhart, That makes no sense to me. if you kill someone to be around me I am heading for the hills.
12:09 AM me: I agree, and respectfully disagree. Does the whole 'plot' make sense... no. Where Harlow and Joe in some serious debt... Yes. Guess that'll be something that's looked at for motive.
12:11 AM I reviewed their credit record, and one car that they
12:12 AM 'previously' owned had a monthly payment of over $900
12:13 AM eloise: yeah but the had assets that could be sold. so that still does not work for me. everyone is in debt. when you say serious debt are you talking about what they owed? as to that I have a friend wohhas 50,000 plus in credit card debt and he is also under the gun for 4 mortgages to a tune of 1.5 million but he has the home that he could sale and all be fine and good so debt is purely subjective
me: When I say previously... that would mean before the arrest.
12:14 AM eloise: they had some high end Cars that is true but the question is were the purchased por leased?
12:15 AM me: They had over 900k in debt, mostly the cars and house. Credit cards came next. There was a Citi card that was owed over $100K.
12:16 AM eloise: I will admit that they had allot of stuff but than again we all have a lot of stuff.
were they maing the payments?
12:17 AM me: The last I looked there were over 7 accounts that where past-due... and this was last month.
12:18 AM eloise: wll that would be understandable dur to the circumstances
me: Some accounts actually showed a past-due balance before the arrest. ( off the record naturally )
12:19 AM eloise: well I can say this I pay bills when I have the money you probalbly do as well so what is so strange about that
12:20 AM me: There's nothing really strange about it... I'm simply stating what was found.
12:21 AM eloise: If you want to base your reason on why they did this based on their credit report you might want to check the credit reports of a few other people as well
me: When the accused make statements about making a million dollars, at the same time that's about what they owe... hmm... makes one wonder.
12:23 AM Elm, my conversation with you is off the record... I'm simply talking to you as a 'friend'... nothing else.
eloise: yeah know but I still say the motive is suspect. they might not e the brghtest bulbs in the lamp but I can pretty much tell you that they would not do this for the chance to work with Sean Lockhart. especially if there was no agreement in place to do so.
yeah I know
12:24 AM do you have clue what a porn movie really makes?
me: I've heard you say that several times... what really makes you thin Joe and Harlow aren't a part of this?
12:25 AM eloise: If you make a 150,000 you did good
me: Depends on who you ask ;)
12:26 AM eloise: I don't think they killed Bryan but I think there is more to this than we all currantly know.
12:27 AM me: Again... nothing to be reported elsewhere... if Harlow and Joe ( who now reports to being at the scene )... who could it be?
12:30 AM eloise: as I have said that Bryan was into some dirty stuff and the people who were involved in this dirty stuff did not want to be to high profile. Bryan was doing just that making it profile. he as a risk to some very high powered and influential people. has it occured to you that Joe and Harlow are probably able to destroy the reputions of some high placced political people? it just goes to figure kill 2 birds with one stone
12:31 AM me: Elm, you know I've never spoken badly about your stinky ass ( ala ******* ), the whole 'high-interest' John's just don't make sense. Where are they today?
12:35 AM eloise: why would you ask me that question? they were escorts you know this. who hires escorts? people who don't want it known that they are 1 Gay,2 Married 3 in a hig power position or 4 all of the above. so it just stands to reason. look at they're location. how far from DC were they and the had their home set up to see their clients.
12:36 AM me: I guess I have a problem with beleiving who was in their client list. Wasn't it Harlow that stated that they 'played' with
12:37 AM Senators, etc... and in the same post boasted about jets and yachts they never had?
12:38 AM eloise: smart people don't own jets or ycts they lease or rent them. the upkeep will break you
me: Smart people know they didn't do either ;)
12:39 AM eloise: this is why you do not see any of joe or Harlow's former John's coming forward to help him they are scared that they will be outed in the press.
12:40 AM so what did you find ot about Barry taylor
12:41 AM me: I would say that it looks like ( from the RICO stuff) ... everyone involved will be made public.
12:42 AM eloise: not if they do not have details asto their client list
12:43 AM me: Nothing more that was already known... this whole story about he was required to leave as their defense is false. I'll be covering some of this tomorrow in my blog.
12:44 AM eloise: ok no details just that it is false?
12:45 AM why would he lie about it
12:46 AM me: You'd have to ask him that question... I'll post the story tomorrow... can't let the cat out of the bag too early ;)
eloise: ok
12:47 AM me: I trust that you wouldn't say anything... I just don't feel like having to type the story twice.
12:49 AM eloise: I trulym sring to loose interest in this whole sordid mess as my last post proves. I don't really even read the news reports anymore. the blogs are all on there own mission of destruction and I just don't think I want to be a part of it anymore.
12:50 AM I will just say this you are innocent until proven guilty and thats al I have to say on that.
me: I agree. Most of the blogs have become nothing more than a fantasy fest.
12:51 AM eloise: or hate spreaders
12:52 AM I read somewhere the reason that the gay community will nevr get anywhere is because f tere petty attitude towards one and other. and I tend to agree with that.
12:54 AM me: I guess it depends upon the definition of hate. If some has a rightfull disagreement, with backup - I personally don't consider it hate... if it's just plain stupidness... then yes... and it's quickly deleted from my blog... which it should from others as well.
eloise: It really is sad that we as a community will let someone like Bryan Destroy the lives of young gay men just so a select few can get they're rocks of by watching these young men risk their lives.
12:56 AM me: I won't disagree with you there... yet it's equally stupid to let the younger crowd think it's okay to kill someone that may be deranged.
1:01 AM eloise: it is in my opinion really quite sad how everyone attacked Brent about leaving cobra. yet they never made a statement about Bryan being killed in such a awful way. Bryan was killed to make a point to those who do not listen and do what they are told to do. that would be all of the models who worked for cobra video if you have noticed very few models have come forward with anything negative to Say about Bryan. His murder was a message to them to shut up. I can almost Gaurantee you that any models who do come forward will start to turn up missing or will be killed under supicioiuus circumstances.
me: Elm, don't forget it's 1:01 AM here ;)
1:02 AM eloise: ok well I have to go any way so I will chat with you later
ciao
1:03 AM me: Okay... didn't mean we had to end the chat... but hope to talk with you again soon.
1:04 AM eloise: ok I have to go and get something to eat and run acouple of errand before the stores close
so we can chat in the next couple of days
1:07 AM me: Enjoy your shopping... hope you're not cutting it too close.
1:08 AM eloise: 24 hour grocery restrant closes at midnight
me: So much for 24 hrs ;)
1:09 AM eloise: yeah great for the nocturnal
1:10 AM me: lol... enjoy your shopping... I'll talk to you tomorrow ( perhaps )... and thanks for wasting some time with me. :)
eloise: no time is wasted if you enjoy yourself
1:11 AM me: As long as it's enjoyed by all... then no waste at all... still a pleasure though.
1:12 AM eloise: cool gotta go later days dude
me: Have a great evening!

An open chat with Elm part deux..

"elmysterio said... PC post it all I really don't give a fuck. You seem to think that you can hurt me with your threats but the fact is you can't. I have all of the same posts and emails that you have. Go for it."

Okay Elm... while I have no interest in hurting you... I will post more... and to think the last one was crazy... there's still more:

Chat on 07/25/07:

me: Elm, we're getting ready to break the 'blessed' news... I'll explain more after the post.
9:12 PM eloise: whaT BLESSED NEWS?
me: as Reene calls it.
eloise: CALLS IT WHAT
9:13 PM me: You'll see... give me a bit... was just giving you a head's up as a friend.
eloise: OK9:17 PM me: I'll let you know when it's posted.
9:18 PM BTW... if there's anything I can help with in regards to the ** stuff... let me know.
9:19 PM eloise: pc you better watch what you post because you will be sued
me: I don't think so.
eloise: so you need to tell me what it is
me: You'll see.
9:21 PM eloise: PC I am serious about this you better watch what you post because attorneys are being called right now
me: That's okay... an attorney told me this.
9:22 PM eloise: then the attorney could be disbarred and you will be servewdf by 5PM tommorow
me: Elm, there's no reason to be like that... you don't even know what I'm going to post.
9:23 PM eloise: pc I am serious Iam not saying this the party involved is me: Well we'll go from there...
9:24 PM eloise: so you will be sued because privledged information can get you slapped with crimnal charges tommorow
9:25 PM me: Again... you don't even know what I'm going to say... no reason to assume.
9:26 PM eloise: PC you need to tell me and I will not post it but I am trying to save your ass
9:27 PM me: hold on...
9:30 PM eloise: pc you will be arreseted and and the attorney who told you will be disbarred
eloise: I'm on the pjhone with renee
me: With all due respect, I can't be arrested, trust me.
9:31 PM eloise: pc she is on the phne with an attorney as we speak
9:32 PM she is not playing and she will have you arrested
me: Elm, she can't... there's no reason to even make that statement.
eloise: you will be arrested I am trying to protect you
9:33 PM then you better post it before the cops get there she is already pissed at you so wy push it
9:34 PM me: Elm, I'm sorry I brought up the conversation.
eloise: don't be sorry just be smart
9:35 PM if you got any information from ***** he will get arrested to
me: I think you know better than that.
9:38 PM eloise: pc they know who you are
9:39 PM me: I don't care... I know who 'they' are too.
9:41 PM eloise: PC you really don't understand this this is big and you be busted
]9:42 PM they are coming to get you and I am not lying
me: Elm, we've chatted a lot, and I've always considered you as a friend. These threats of being 'busted' are unfounded... I've already spoken with an attorney, and I'm not breaking the law in the least. Again... you don't even know what's going to be said... why the attitude?
9:43 PM eloise: if you got proivledge infrmation form an attorney that attorney will be disbarred. me: Let's go ahead and just end this conversation.
9:44 PM eloise: pc just tell me and we can end all of this
9:45 PM PC I realy don't give a rats ass what it is and i will not try nd scoop you9:46 PM there are allot of people who are really pissed right now and you will be loocked up
9:47 PM are you there
9:51 PM pc are you there
9:55 PM pc are you there
9:56 PM me: Yes Elm, I'm still here... please don't threaten me with legal recourse, because there isn't any... have Ree's attorney's state what law I've broken.
9:57 PM eloise: renee's attorney will be on the phone in a minute
9:58 PM this can not be released until a judge signs of on the deal
9:59 PM this is serious did you talk t one of oe and harlows attorney
me: Again Elm, you seem to assume what I know... even though I never told you.
10:00 PM eloise: then tell me and we can put an end to this
me: It's posted.
eloise: I promise I wont pst it you can if it is not what I think it is
10:01 PM you fucked up big time
10:02 PM someone is gooing to get disbarred and you will be an accesory to the fact10:04 PM that was client attorney client privledged information and you will be served by 5PM.
10:05 PM me: Apparently someone told the press... that's how we got it.
10:06 PM eloise: PC its to late for that you told me you got it from an attorney and they will be disbarred
me: Whatever Elm... have a good evening, and hope to chat with you when you're in a better mood.
10:07 PM eloise: I'm in a fine mood I was just trying to protect you but you went and blw it.
10:08 PM me: Elm, as much as you might be upset... I haven't broken any law. I'm simply reporting what was given to me by sources in PA and VA.
10:10 PM eloise: you really should not have done this
10:11 PM me: I apologize if you're upset... but I'm only simply reporting what's being done.
10:12 PM eloise: I know that but you can't do this because it is news you have to wait until it was finallized why would you attempt to damage Joe an Harlow chanct to get ther attorney's paid
10:13 PM It reqal;l makes nop sense to me that you would do this well that little port probably juswt undid it
10:14 PM well that little report just most likely undid it
10:15 PM you don't seem to understand what you have done now the state of virginia will just take the house back
10:16 PM you are really not looking at the big picture here
10:17 PM this was not to be mentioned until a judge signed the order and now that most like;ly won't happen
10:19 PM I guess you just basically signed their death warrant
10:20 PM me: No I didn't... I'm just telling the truth.
eloise: that was to pay the down paynment for there attorney
10:21 PM now they will have to have a public defender so I guess you did me:
Elm... they're home had no value... especially with the second mortgage.
10:22 PM eloise: you don't know that, you have no clue what the value of the house was
10:23 PM you are basing your value on the accesed value not the market value
10:24 PM me: Elm... I live here.
eloise: do you own a home?
me: Yep... bought it 3 years ago.
10:25 PM eloise: I deal with homes eveyday and they are always worth more than the acessed value is it a house or a condo
10:27 PM homes have a different value whewn accessed tha a condo would me: It's a 3700 sq ft house sitting on just shy of an acre.
10:28 PM eloise: and is it in the city proper? or in a outlying area
me: It resides in the City of Norfolk.
10:29 PM I'm in E. Ocean View... just a walk across the street from VB.
10:30 PM eloise: virginia beach has a higher value norfolk would and halows house was in an exclusive neighborhood close to a counrty club
10:31 PM did you buy it from judy boone?
me: Harlow's neighbor's house just sold for 379k... trust me... I keep up with real estate prices too :)
10:33 PM eloise: there have been no sales in birdneck woods in the last 7 months and harlow's mom is in real estate and she keeps track of that area
10:34 PM me: Elm, I'm not going to get in an arguement with you... but the seller has 2 lots left ( out of the 17 ) and is currently listing a house now for $425k... and it hasn't even been built yet.
10:37 PM eloise: those lotas are oddly shape and the houses have to be smaller to fit on the lots. harlow's house was 4572 sqft custom built home
10:38 PM me: Elm, with all due respect... I hope Harlow's mom, as a real estate agent can sell it for as much as she can.
10:40 PM eloise: that is fine and good but you really did jepordize their defense and you could have possibly set the case for several months
me: That
10:41 PM 's certainly not my intention.
eloise: any way does it make you feel good that you could have possibly ruined thre chances to a fair trial.
me: My intention since the begining... ( what May/June? ) is to tell the truth... I think I've done a pretty good job of that.
10:43 PM eloise: yeah you had so far but this was pushing the limits
10:44 PM me: I'm only publishing the information given to me.., I certainly don't make this stuff up like **, and others.
10:47 PM eloise: you do realize that Harlow's blog is written by his girl friend. And she supports Harlow 100% and is helping him raise money for his legal fee's
me: His girl friend?
eloise: yup10:48 PM the real deal
10:49 PM me: Where's the police Elm? I don't hear anyone knocking on my door?
eloise: and she misses his hard loveboneand you ight have ruineder chaces to ride the stiff oneagain
10:50 PM sitr tight she is truly pissed
10:51 PM me: How long has he had this 'girl' friend?
eloise: quite a while from what I undersnd me: Well tell her it's nothing personal... just a media thing.
10:52 PM eloise: do you work for the media?
10:54 PM me: I'm out.

An Open Chat With Elm on 7/27/07...

While some of this may be hard to follow... I've tried to differentiate who Elm is versus Me in regards to the Harlow Cuadra and Joseph Kerekes conversation... if you still have any question... please feel free to ask... trust me... there's some interesting stuff in this.

11:24 PM me: Well the police never showed up... guess they were to busy dealing with actual crimes :)
eloise: im glad
11:25 PM me: Elm, between you and I...
eloise: yeah
11:26 PM me: Please don't threaten me with things that we both know won't happen... as the police being at my door by 5pm today.
11:27 PM eloise: I thought they were because they were on the phone when you were instant messaged me.
11:28 PM me: ... okay... :)
11:29 PM Elm, I've already spoken with my attorney, and did so before that infamous post.
What are the police going to arrest me for... telling the truth?
11:30 PM eloise: thats fine, but they could have lost the house
me: You folks don't even know where I live.
eloise: yeah they do,
11:31 PM me: Okay... just like Harlow and Joe's house is worth $750k... Elm, it's been a pleasure knowing you, but I think you've become too BB.
11:32 PM eloise: no need to argue this point, its done just move on I have
11:33 PM don'ty be made at me I was just trying to stop something bad from possibly happening
11:35 PM me: I'm not mad at you Elm... I just can't understand why you would threaten me with police coming to my door when you know in reality that's not going to happen.
eloise: PC I am on the side of the truth. I was trying to stop you from getting in trouble because there were threats being made on the phone.
11:36 PM me: Perhaps we should ask Renee Vincent?
eloise: pc I was told that the police were going to come to you door.
11:38 PM PC she is just tring to help Joe and Harlow get there attorneys straightend out. that is all and the fact that she thought that you would jepordize that caused her to be scared.
11:39 PM PC I was on the phone when you instat maged me with renee
11:41 PM when I saw that I knew what you were goingto post beccause we were talking about the possibility of getting the house back.
me: So why would I be called a liar when you know I was telling the truth?
11:42 PM eloise: you don't understad what is going on behind the scenes ad it really is nt my place to tell you but you could have cause allot of people alot of problems just like ***** is right know.
whern did I call you a liar
11:43 PM me: I'm not ******, and I think you know that... nor do I follow his tactics.
eloise: if you are alking about the post she did on harlows blog thatwas a failed attempt at damage control
11:44 PM me: I was referencing to the nice long post Renee or whom ever did on Harlow's blog about me. I got a big laugh about being accused of being strait and seen with a blonde woman.
11:45 PM eloise: the major prolem with this wholecase is that here ae to many people telling to many storiesand not everyon has al the facts, myself included. if you have noticed I have been staing away form posting information about the proceedings because thay chang everyday
11:46 PM me: ... and as you've seen... I don't post anything that's not true.
11:47 PM The 'evidence' in regards to Renee wanting will be posted shortly... along with the screen captures of her rantings that are now deleted.
11:48 PM This wouldn't be:
RENEE VINCENT
2435 LAURENS RD
GREENVILLE, SC 29607
eloise: there are peoples lives at stake here and I do notwant be responsible o ruining there chance at a fair trial or jeoperdizing there chance of getting good lawyers by something that I post on my blog. I have known about the huse deal fore over a week but I did not post it because I did not to take the chance and ruin it for them
11:50 PM me: Elm, as I've told you before... I'm here to print the truth... that's it.
eloise: go ahead and do it if it will make you happy but I would not do it .
fine print the truth but you don't have to hurt pople to do that.
11:51 PM me: I have no intention or reason to disclose who Renee is... that really doesn't have anything to do with the case.
11:52 PM I just wanted to let you know... I know as well.
eloise: I try not to hurt people who are tying to help just the one who are rying to cause problems for others. why are you telling me this any way you are going to do what you want to do anyway
11:53 PM me: I gave you my promise... I haven't lied to you yet have I?
11:54 PM eloise: I would rather not know about it. I think she is a nice woman who has taken an interest in someo who she could have easily judst have let sit in jail with no hope in the world.
11:55 PM ok heres the deal i you repeat this it is over. She took out a second on her home to retain the layer for harlow. the sale of the house is to pay that second off. that is why she was so pissed. get it
11:56 PM me: I get it... but I don't really see what she would have gotten...
eloise: now do you understand? this is noeven her child but she did this for him
11:57 PM me: The house, including the 2nd mortgage didn't offer much equity.
11:58 PM If you read my latest post... you'll also see that 750 is pie in the sky.
eloise: you are basing the vsalue on the assessed value for the taxes not the appraised value for resale I explained t on you blog
me: I'm basing it on homes that are for sale, or have sold in the 16 home neighborhood.
12:00 AM eloise: PC the house is over 4300 sqft and it is all custom through ot and it is in an exclusive neighbothood and it isright next to a golf course and a country club renee lives dwn the srtreet and she is amortgage broker I tink she would know the value
12:01 AM me: What ever elm.
eloise: you can not base the vale of one house against the nex unless the are idintical and these are all custom homes so they are all different
me: I think I posted some stuff Renee wasn't expecting.
12:02 AM So one house out of 16 is worth 250-300k more than the rest?
eloise: why are we even talking about this any more it is done
12:03 AM that is possible
12:04 AM as far as I"m concerned it's a done deal. its been posted and we wil see if the judge signs off on it. if he does then great if he does not then to bad. at least they had some hope.
12:07 AM me: I'm pretty sure he will... what I don't like is being called a liar. Renee knew what I said was the truth... yet she decided to spin it in a way to make it appear as if I wasn't telling the truth... no big deal... as soon as the deed is changed (from the State) it will be posted.
12:09 AM I have nothing against the Harlow camp... other than it's not smart to make statements that aren't true... like the police being at my door by 5 today.
eloise: i can justhope that it is signed off and all is well
12:10 AM renee thinksof harlow as her child and se will do anything to protect him
12:11 AM that is a typical mothers responce
me: Elm, just to let you know... the sale of the house information wasn't given to me by an attorney. Perhaps Renee should start questioning Kerekes.
12:12 AM eloise: why would he do that?
me: Kerkes spans more than one person.
12:13 AM Why would Joe give some idiot response to the press? There's lot's of questions.
eloise: that isfine thewn you shouldnot feel like it is a problem
12:14 AM me: I never did.
eloise: then lets just consider the matter closed and move on
12:15 AM it is yesterdays new anyway
me: That's what I asked for yesterday ;)
12:16 AM I'm not here to get in a fight, claim news that isn't true, etc...
12:17 AM eloise: I am just getting so tired of all of the name calling and backstabbing that is involved in this case. it is just truly sickening.
12:18 AM me: I don't disagree... and if you haven't noticed... that's not happening on my blog.
12:19 AM eloise: you just do what you have to do and I will fight my battles an maybe just maybe justice will be served
12:20 AM me: I deleted several posts today because it doesn't go with the story, and I'm not interested in personal fights, or **'s trying to promote his site.
12:21 AM eloise: If you are reffereing to ***** and bb they came after me. I want do do allot more but everytime I make apost the lying leeches attack.
12:22 AM me: I hate to say it, but BB is a lot more civil than **.
eloise: Look I have to go and slay some liars.
12:23 AM me: I don't know either... but I'll allow a post from BB ( assuming it's topic worthy )... I won't allow any post from **, and his many aliases.
12:24 AM eloise: no he is not he just starts shit and sits back and enjoys the fall out. he is really no better than Bryan. he just want to destroy Sean and Grant.
12:25 AM me: Well you don't see any battles on my site... and you won't ;
eloise: ****** just posts flat out lies
me: Elm, as always it's a pleasure talking/chatting with you.
12:26 AM eloise: ame here good night
me: 'til the next time ;)
Good night

Shall I continue Elm?

Can It Get Any More Delusional?

This was posted on Elm's blog earlier today... and while I appreciate the fact that there are people out there supporting all sides of this trial... this post just takes the cake for being a bit absurd (my comments injected in bold):

"Ladies and Gentleman it appears that Brent Corrigan has left the building. Is this in fact true or is it a joke?"

Personally... who cares?

"Harlow confirms something that was first reported on Jakesters blog.

The beach tapes are not the end all be all of this case."

It's good to see that Harlow's going to be on the jury too.

"It appears that there were no finger prints found at the crime scene and the DNA evidence is inconclusive. This is from a report in the courts discovery."

Discovery is not publicly released. It's only exchanged between prosecution, defense, and some experts. Not very many people at all get to see it. I don't think the judge even gets to see it. I'd like to see copies before I believe it.

"The beach tapes were necessary to pin this crime on Joe and Harlow. The sad thing is that they will not hold up in court because Joe and Harlow were aware of the fact that they were being recorded."

I will agree that the tapes were necessary... days 1 and 2... as to Joseph Kerekes and Harlow Cuadra being aware that they were being recorded... well okay... whatever. Joe made the mention during his jailhouse interview that it was Sean's sunglasses that were bugged - which was wrong ( a statement that DeWayne made originally in jest )... and had Harlow and Joe known, why not simply say: Nope, never met the man?

"Most of the information that they are said to have been the only ones to have is in fact not true. Several others were aware of this information before the beach tapes were recorded and the information was being shared behind the scenes."

... Again... proof please.

"Just like the police used the name Drake as a ploy to confuse and misdirect so were those behind the scenes who had the information that was presented on the beach tapes."

I think it was used to keep Harlow and Joe talking... which they clearly continued to do. The police simply didn't want them to think that they were known suspects, when in fact they were. It would appear that H & J fell for the bait.

"There are several people who had information about this case who in fact did not share it in the public forums or the blogs."

But I assume it was okay to share it with two people accused of murder? Once again... proof please.

"I for one have been called a liar on several occasions with regards to this case. Those who have an agenda have claimed that Bryan was not being investigated by the FBI. That is in fact false he was."

I hate to sound like a broken record... but proof please?

"Robert Wagner was in fact highly involved in Bryan's business affairs and will most likely be charged with conspiracy after the trial of Joe and Harlow concludes."

If Robert Wagner were so involved, why wouldn't the charges be filed now... why wait?

"The civil suit filled by the Kocis estate will be thrown out of court because it was improperly filed and the litigants were wrongly served."

This suit was filed on 01/08/08, and hasn't been thrown out yet... other than reading from the Clueless Blog, what legal basis do you have?

"Lee Bergeron will get his due in court as he will be sued and he will loose everything he has stolen from his business partners in the past. Can we say class action suit."

While I do hope Bergeron get's his day in court... class action status? I don't think so.

"Cobra Video and the Kocis estate will be facing Rico charges and Bryan's family will file bankruptcy to avoid losing all of their ill gotten gains."

Other than wishful thinking, it sure doesn't appear that the DA is in any hurry. This rumor's been circulating for more than a year, and to date nothing's happened, nor do I think anything will.

"There are documents to support all of this and just like some other bloggers who get information and report it I too get information. I just don't always report what I have. Somethings are better kept to yourself."

Ahh... the infamous 'I have proof, but I can't show you'.

"The Out magazine article came up very short with regards to what was shared with Michael Gross. It really is too bad he did not do a followup piece because he could shed some serious light on this whole case."

The one thing I can remember when speaking to Michael in regards to the story he did, was that he was very careful to verify things as fact. Perhaps the reason he didn't include some things that were shared with him was because there was no way to verify the claims. Gee... that sounds familiar.

"It looks like it was a slow news day on PC's blog because he had to come over here for a news story. I guess his imbedded spy in the Luzerne County court house took the day off or he was finally found out and fired. Pity that I wonder if Mr Melnick found out who was leaking info."

Elm, once again you come across as clueless and without proof as usual... hmm... I think I see a pattern. Guess it shouldn't be any more different than when you accused me of working for the Virginia Beach DA's office, or when you threatened to have the police show up at my door for posting Harlow Cuadra's debts. Ironically, I still have copies of all of your comments (eloise marcel). :)